when i was younger i had internships, one in washington for pete mccloskey, who was a republican, but the main reason i worked for him is that he was very supportive of a school i went to in east palo alto, an elementary and high school, and he--he offered me the job. so that's the--the reason. but i've never really been involved in politics at any serious level. c-span: now what was the george shultz experience like? >> guest: oh, it was wonderful. and i think it really, in some ways, led to this book, because i became interested in the american side of the story, and the soviet side, but particularly the american side, because i got to see the end of the cold war from the vantage point of central decision makers, which scholars rarely do. i got to work with him very closely, got to read his files and interact with him as he drafted chapters. and so it was a wonderful experience to have. and it led me to have a great interest in--in ronald reagan. c-span: i think what we ought to do, before we talk a lot more about it, is to play one of the many pieces that are in here. before we do-